little complicated is because he'll essentially have to say my views on abortion are not at issue, martha. it's governor romney's views we're talking about. and i don't want to confuse views, so my sponsorship of all these bills is not relevant to the conversation. then what he's going to do is pivot and start attacking president obama on this question of obama care require, catholic affiliated institutions provide contraception. >> so basically don't answer the question, just divert? >> he'll do that. >> he'll divert? >> for sure. >> robert, here is how paul ryan's 28 2008 opponent described debating him. i'm quoting. it was like nailing jello to the wall. he would just change his story as convenient and make up facts to fit what he was -- what he wanted to say. i mean, joe biden's really got his work cut out, doesn't he, robert? >> i would make the argument joe biden does have his work cut out, regardless of congressman ryan's previous statements or the previous opponent's statements. there are a lot of democrats out there putting a lot of hopes on vice president biden to knock this out